$1000 for a card that's going to be matched by a $400 mid range Volta in 6-8mths, yeah, no thanks.

I wonder what limits this card's BIOS has...

Yup, the custom Ti cards are sure becoming expensive, looking at Scan's site where the cost of a MSI Ti Sea Hawk X is £899.99. A good thing that SLI isn't properly supported for the 1080 series, nearly two grand £ for SLI anyone? Don't these big prices get NVidia thinking that it will lead to gamers becoming older and older before they can afford PC gaming? And fewer PC gamers generally?

It just takes soooooo long for them to release this stuff! Any interest I had was lost because of the wait. Same for their Hybrid FTW card, took ages to get released and in the end I gave up waiting and bought their Hybrid SC instead. I understand they have to do development and the products doesn't just magically appear by themselves but the gap between reference and their hybrid/kingpin cards is too much. I suppose they don't really care either way. Still got my money!

Yup, the custom Ti cards are sure becoming expensive, looking at Scan's site where the cost of a MSI Ti Sea Hawk X is £899.99. A good thing that SLI isn't properly supported for the 1080 series, nearly two grand £ for SLI anyone? Don't these big prices get NVidia thinking that it will lead to gamers becoming older and older before they can afford PC gaming? And fewer PC gamers generally?

Two customers buying a 200€ GPU each or one that buys a 1080Ti, which one will be favoured by the industry? I think the answer is quite clear. But you are right, PC gaming as a hobby continues to increase in cost. Yet again there have been a few tables around where you can see that actually these cards don't increase in cost too much if you compare the older top cards with their release pricing and what you could get today for that money, with monetary inflation in mind.

It just takes soooooo long for them to release this stuff! Any interest I had was lost because of the wait. Same for their Hybrid FTW card, took ages to get released and in the end I gave up waiting and bought their Hybrid SC instead. I understand they have to do development and the products doesn't just magically appear by themselves but the gap between reference and their hybrid/kingpin cards is too much. I suppose they don't really care either way. Still got my money!

I'm fairly sure that bringing out these top notch cards would be easy at the launch of such a GPU like the 1080Ti. But then again, EVGA wants to sell 1080Ti FTW cards and FE cards too because maybe their margin is bigger there. But yes, the best cards always come out late in the cycle. But I'm afraid I can't follow why you complain about the gap between a 1080TI FE and the Kingpin, since first it's available earlier, the Kingpin is quite noticably more expensive, and the difference probably is just a matter of cooling and the right vBIOS, not so much a cherry picked GPU itself. If you read up with AMDbugbear's thread, you can get better performance out of a 1080Ti FE / Hybrid with the right tweaks than any stock Kingpin (and who knows, if silicon lottery is on your side even OC'd Kingpin?).

I just saw a used 780ti kingpin asking some outlandish price compared to the newer, stronger cards available. These are simply terrible for future resale value. I need that kind of silly money. 🤓

I wont be buying anymore £1000 GPU's, Nvidia take the piss by releasing a Ti so shortly after the Titans. Wont be going SLI anymore either. Times change and so does the money im willing to spend especially to play mediocre games. 🙂 I took a break from gaming for over 12 months and ive now come back, i see nothing i want to play apart from Heavily modded skyrim which i was playing before anyhow.

by looking at the comments people here have no idea wath kingpin name means they custom pcb designed by kingpins specs, this cards will reach the highest possible oc on air/water/ln2, usually have the most pwm u find on any card. plus kingpin uses the better brand of ram on it not only that but this cards are designed for the hardcore enthusuast in mind, with software/bios features that are not on other cards i just bought a 980tikp a few months ago from evga for 320 shipped, and damn the design differnce from non kp cards is huge tdlr u get wat u pay for, ps kp cards have better asic since they handpicked silicons also kp cards take long time to be released since its a custom pbc design from the groundup lol u can get better perf from a ti he after teaks vs stock kp? lol

And in a couple of months when the GTX2080 is released, this card will be outclassed by a cheaper one.

by looking at the comments people here have no idea wath kingpin name means they custom pcb designed by kingpins specs, this cards will reach the highest possible oc on air/water/ln2, usually have the most pwm u find on any card. plus kingpin uses the better brand of ram on it not only that but this cards are designed for the hardcore enthusuast in mind, with software/bios features that are not on other cards i just bought a 980tikp a few months ago from evga for 320 shipped, and damn the design differnce from non kp cards is huge tdlr u get wat u pay for, ps kp cards have better asic since they handpicked silicons also kp cards take long time to be released since its a custom pbc design from the groundup lol u can get better perf from a ti he after teaks vs stock kp? lol

So care to educate us instead of calling everybody out for a false opinion? Kingping under air won't be able to achieve much more than a watercooled card, this card actually shines when you at least put it underwater, but basically when you use LN2. And please feel free to correct me when I'm wrong.

thats one sexy card, but without knowing what kinda bios it has plus with volta right around the corner it seems kinda late to the party.

And in a couple of months when the GTX2080 is released, this card will be outclassed by a cheaper one.

Volta wont be out before may at least, yes its close but not that close.

But I'm afraid I can't follow why you complain about the gap between a 1080TI FE and the Kingpin, since first it's available earlier, the Kingpin is quite noticably more expensive, and the difference probably is just a matter of cooling and the right vBIOS, not so much a cherry picked GPU itself. If you read up with AMDbugbear's thread, you can get better performance out of a 1080Ti FE / Hybrid with the right tweaks than any stock Kingpin (and who knows, if silicon lottery is on your side even OC'd Kingpin?).

Yeah I get that but that's only really been since the Pascal where all cards generally overclock the same, unless as you say, you've won or lost the silicon lottery. Still I'm sure just as many people lose the silicon lottery than the people that win it! You buy these cards for their increased power limits. My SC Hybrid has a 120% power limit and I can hit that with a 2Ghz overclock. So once you get cards like these can do 140%+ power limits, performance will increase not from the core clock but being able to maintain that higher clock for longer in more situations. Plus if you have money to burn, this card offers a guaranteed speed. My EVGA SC Hybrid will only do 2020 max but it's not stable. In fact anything over 1974 is not stable. So if you have the money you just get one of these and with it being binned, it's guaranteed to hit good speeds and never throttle due to temps or power limits. At the end of the day we're talking very small fractions of performance but for some, few hundred quid for a few more frames is worth it.

here i was hoping to hear 11xx series

$1000 for a card that's going to be matched by a $400 mid range Volta in 6-8mths, yeah, no thanks.

Random scenario: 6-8 months for volta + 2 months for aftermarket + 2 mos till price drop.. w8.. maybe AMD bring something, and price more drop... I have feel, that people here "living" too far in future, and the same, they can't focus on real-time. -vicious circle :infinity: EDIT : From the other side it's true "GTX 1080 Ti K|NGP|N" was relased too late.